Johann Baptista von Taxis / Jean Baptise de Taxis (1470 - 1541) N?7
is the nephew of Franz von Taxis.
who further developed the postal connections
in the Holy Roman Empire (including Germany).
The family controls the totaly of European Postal
connections with the exception of France.
Emperor Charles Quint / Karl V (1500 - 1558)
nominates Johan Baptista
as General Postmaster.
The Habsburgs need the realibility and efficiency
of the Thurn & Taxis service.
Johann Baptista was married to
Christina von Wachtendonk
They had 16 children.
He was succeded
by Franz II von Taxis (1514 - 1543)
and by Lamoral I von Taxis.
Baron Leonhard I von Taxis (1521-1612) No8
Louisa Boisot de Rouha (1540-1610)
Count Lamoral von Taxis (1557-1624) No9
Genoveva von Taxis (1561 estimation -1628)
Count Leonard II von Taxis (1594-1628) N?10
Alexandrine de Rye (1589-1668)
Lamoral Claudius von Thurn und Taxis (1621-1676) No11
Countess Anna von Horn (1629-1693)
1st Prince von Thurn und Taxis (1652-1714) No12
Princess Anna von Fuerstenberg (1658-1701).
signature of Louis Leon Pajot
on a letter from 1725.
Louis Leon Pajot was also called
Comte / Count Donsenbray (Ons-en-Bray)
He was married to Princess de Galiffat Martigue.
4th Prince of Thurn & Taxis (1733 - 1805) No15
always remembered how Louis XV
has just taken the Pajot & Rouille Post in Paris.
Under no means we wanted another king
to be able to seize his Thurn & Taxis postal empire.
Karl Anselm operated the postal company during
time of decline due to loss of many territories.
The loss was a result o the French Revolution wars
and wars by Napoleon Bonaparte.
Karl Anselm had nine children.
Maria Theresia Thurn und Taxis / Oettingen-Wallerstein (1757 - 1776)
Sophie Thurn und Taxis / Raziwill (1758 - 1800)
Franz Johann (Thurn und Taxis ( 1759 - 1760)
Henrica Thurn und Taxis / Oettingen-Spielberg (1762 - 1784)
Alexander Karl (1763 - 1763)
Friederika (1764 - 1764)
Karl Alexander (1770 - 1827)
Friedrich (1772 - 1805)
Nikolaus (1787 - 1854)
5th Prince of Thurn & Taxis (1770 - 1827) No16
was born in Regensburg.
1806 with the end of the Holy Roman Empire
and the hereditary office of Postmaster General
held by the Thurn and Taxis ceased to exist.
Karl Alexander's wife
Therese of Mecklenburg (1773 - 1839)
took part in the management of the postal organisation
and negociated with Napoleon
and the States of the Confederation of the Rhine.
At some moment the family
was even considering moving
their headquarter to Paris
but the project was abandoned.
The result of the negociations was that
Thurn & Taxis could continue
it's postal operations
as a private company called Thurn & Taxis Post
first based in Regensburg,
relocated 1810 back to the free city of Frankfurt.
1812 Karl Alexander lost the postal operations in Bavaria
and received the St Emmeran Castle in Regensburg
as a compensation.
They had seven children:
Charlotte Luise Thurn & Taxis (1790 - 1790)
George Karl Thurn & Taxis (1792 - 1795)
Maria Theresia Thurn & Taxis / Maria Theresia Esterhazy Galantha (1794 - 1874)
Friederike Thurn & Taxis (1798 -1798)
Maria Sophia Thurn & Taxis / Maria Sophia Wuerttemberg (1800 -1870)
Maximilian Karl Thurn & Taxis (1802 - 1871)
Friedrich Wilhelm Thurn & Taxis (1805 - 1825)
Letter sent from Frankfurt to Rheims (today Reims) in 1825.
6th Prince of Thurn & Taxis (1802 - 1871) No17
was the last Thurn & Taxis to be a Postmaster.
He became head of the postal operations in 1827
This letter from Luebeck to Paris in 1844
took 6 days to travel. The letter sent to the Rothschild Brothers
is in the collection of
Didier Lebouc, website histoire postale.
Maximilian Karl introduced stamps
the picture shows Thurn & Taxis stamps for 1 and 2 Groschen
Stamps were issued from 1852 to 1866
There are 54 different items
Visit a Thurn Taxis stamp store
Maximiian Karl, the last Postmaster
was married twice and had seventeen children
from his first marriage with Wilhelmine von Doernberg
Karl Wilhelm Thurn & Taxis (1829 - 1829)
Therese Thurn & Taxis / von Pirch (1830 - 1881)
Maximilian Anton Thurn & Taxis (1831 - 1867)
Egon MaximilianThurn & Taxis (1832 - 1892)
Theodor Georg Thurn & Taxis (1834 - 1876)
from his second marriage with Mathilde zu Oettingen
Otto Johann Thurn & Taxis (1840 - 1878)
Georg Maximilian Thurn & Taxis (1841 - 1884)
Paul (1843 - 1879 Cannes)
(boyfriend of King Ludwig II of Bavaria)
renamed as Paul von Fels
married to singer Elise Kreuzer
son Heinrich von Fels (1867 - 1955)
Amalie Thurn & Taxis / Amalie Rechberg (1844 - 1867)
Hugo Thurn & Taxis (1845 - 1873)
Gustav Thurn & Taxis (1848 - 1914)
Wilhelm Thurn & Taxis (1849 - 1849)
Adolf Maximilian Thurn & Taxis (1850 - 1890)
Franz Maximilian Thurn & Taxis (1852 - 1897)
Nikolaus Thurn & Taxis (1853 - 1874)
Alfred Thurn & Taxis (1856 - 1886)
Marie Thurn & Taxis / Marie Waldburg Zeil (1857 - 1909)
1863 This letter was sent from the village of Dillenburg in Hessen
via Giessen, Bremen, Hamburg
to Louis Gaie, 103 Maiden Lane, New York / USA
It is one of the early transatlantik letters.
The postage fee was 22 Kreuzer
Kreuzer were a currency in use before the unification of Germany
Does anybody know how much the postage fee was in Thaler
or even in todays Euros / Dollars ?
Letter on auction with Heinrich Koehler via Stamp Circuit
July 1 the state of Prussia nationalized the
Thurn & Taxis Post.
The year before the same people from Prussia had already
forced the independant Kingdom of Bavaria,
the Grand Duchy of Hessen and the free city of Frankfurt,
seat of the postal operations,
into an alliance.
Occupying the free city of Frankfurt
where was located the Thurn & Taxis post
Maximilian Karl had
to transfer his century old postal company.
1895 April 1
28 years after the nationalisation of the T&T Post
Albert Thurn & Taxis sells the Frankfurt T&T Palace
for 1.500.000 Marks
to the German Reichspost.
The originial palace was destroyed during world war 2
2004 -2009 a reduced version has been reconstructed.
Interesting Books about Thurn & Taxis history
by Wolfgang Behringer, Martin Dallmeier + Martha Schad
and Vincent Schouberechts
Prussia's desire to annex Alsace Lorraine
also provoked war with France
resulting in the abdication of Napoleon III
and the end of the French Second Empire.
Napoleon's wife Empress Eugenie with her diademe
crown jewel of France.
Eugenie also has links with the Cremeries de Paris
as she was the creative mind of the construction
of rue des Halles at the corner of the
historic postal building ...
Heriditary Prince of Thurn & Taxis (1831 - 1867)
was the oldest son of Maximilian Karl.
1856 august 24 he married
Helene in Bavaria (1834 - 1890) No18
The marriage was celebrated at Schloss Possenhofen
on the lake of Starnberg.
Maximilian Anton Thurn & Taxis with his wife Helene in Bavaria
and their daughters
Louise T&T / Hohenzollern (1859 - 1948)
Elisabeth T&T / Braganca (1860 - 1881)
mother of Maria Theresia T&T/T&T (1881 - 1945)
grandmother of Maximilian Albert T&T (1913 - 1928)
missing in the picture
Maximilian Maria 7th Prince of Thurn & Taxis (1862 - 1885)
Albert 8th Prince of Thurn & Taxis (1867 - 1952)
Helene in Bavaria (1834 - 1890) No18
was the older sister of Sissi, Elisabeth of Austria (1837 - 1898) No19.
They were cousins of King Louis II of Bavaria (1845 - 1886)
Helene in Bavaria / Thurn & Taxis
had the nickname "Nene"
Sissi was was the younger sistyer of Helene in Bavaria / Thurn & Taxis
1867 / 1871
After the early death of her husband Maximilian Karl
and the death of her father in law Maximilian Karl, the last Postmaster
Helene managed the Thurn & Taxis fortune.
Helene was acting on behalf of her minor son
Maximilian Maria 7th Prince of Thurn & Taxis (1862 - 1885)
When Maximilan Maria turned 20
the fortune was transmitted to him,
but as he died 3 years later
Helene continued to have the responsability
of the fortune for another 3 years
until it was transmitted it to her next son Albert.
She was assisted by Franz Josef von Gruben (1829 - 1888)
and used the 3.000.000 Thaler received from the state of Prussia
of the Thurn & Taxis Post
to make a multitude of real estate investments.
Many smart investments were made
buying as much real estate as possible.
This way the family avoided losing their cash assets
through the many devaluation that took place in Germany
in the following decades.
8th Prince of Thurn & Taxis (1867 - 1952) No19
was the second son of Maximilian Anton and Helene in Bavaria.
He succeded his 5 year older brother Maximilian Maria
who died in
Due to the real estate investments of his mother Helene
using the 3 million thaler compensation payments
for the Postal Services
was one of Germany's richest man.
As a wedding present to his wife
Margarete of Austria
he went to Paris to buy something unbeleivable,
the Diademe of Empress Eugenie
crown jewel of France.
The jewel made by Alexandre Gabriel Lemmonier
was sold by Julius Jacoby
who had acuired it for 78.100 Francs
in a 1887 sale of the French Royal Crown jewels.
1890 Albert bought ithe tiara using a a certain amount
of the 3.000.000 thalers his grandfather Maximilian Karl had received
as compensation payment
for the Thurn & Taxis Postal Services two decades earlier.
1890 July 15 he married married in Budapest.
Margarete of Austria (1870 - 1955)
was a descendend of the Bourbons.
Louis XIII, the father of Louis XIV has her ancestor.
Once Johannes Thurn & Taxis (grandson of Margarethe)
showed the editor of this article
a statue on the Paris Place de la Concorde.
The statue for the city of Lille represents Clementine of Orleans (1817 - 1907)
the grandmother of Margarethe
and daughter of King Louis Philippe of the French (1773 - 1850)
According to their granddaughter Mathilde von Sachsen No20
the greek word for perls was "Margarita"
this was the reason why Albert had the idea to buy
this wedding present.
The perls had been mounted in previous jewels of the Bourbons,
Kings of France.
Franz Josef (1893-1971), Joseph Albert (1895-1895),
Karl August (1898-1982), Ludwig Philipp (1901-1933),
Max Emmanuel (1902-1994), Elisabeth Helene (1903-1976),
Raphael Rainer (1906-1993) and Philipp Ernst (1908-1964)
seven sons and one daughter
of Albert and Margarethe of Austria
The only daughter Elisabeth Helene
(mother of Aja Sachsen, grandmother of Memo Sachsen)
and her brother Karl August (father of Johannes Thurn & Taxis)
Gabriel (1922-1942), Michaele (1922-1922), Helene (1924-1991),
Maria Theresia (1925-1997), Maria Ferdinande (1927-2018)
children of Franz Josef and Isabel Maria of Braganza
Mafalda (1924-1989), Clothilde (1922- 2009) and Johannes (1926-1990)
children of Karl August and Maria Anna of Braganza
Iniga (1924-1989) and Anselm (1924-1944)
children of Ludwig Philipp and Elisabeth of Luxembourg
Maria Emmanuel (1920-2000), Maria Josepha (1928-2018), Maria Anna (1929-2012),
Albert (1934-2012) and Mathilde / Aja (1936-2018)
children of Elisabeth Helene and Friedrich Christian von Sachsen
The picture taken around 1941 shows the 3 girls with their mother.
Max Emmanuel (1935-2020)
son of Raphael Rainer and Margarethe Thurn & Taxis
Albrecht (1930), Margarete / Daisy (1933-2019), Antonia
children of Philipp Ernst and Eulalia Thurn & Taxis
1872 The Thurn & Taxis Palace in Brussels
A birthday party
1986 June 6, about two weeks after visiting the old postal mansion in Paris
the student went to Germany
to go to the birthday party in Regensburg, Bavaria.
Quite a long drive from Paris.
In the picture Johannes Thurn & Taxis,
with his friend Aimee de Heeren
during the first of several receptions.
Some years later both of them would have an impact
on the invention of the Phone Book of the World.
June 7 in the morning, boat trip on the Danube river.
Johannes Thurn & Taxis with the Begum Aga Khan.
In the background the editor of this website with hardly visible Sao Schlumberger.
June 7 at night, Don Giovanni costume Ball,
Johannes Thurn & Taxis in a costume, his wife Gloria
wearing the tiara of Empress Eugenie.
In the second picture the editor of this article in a red circle.
The photographer Clarisse Grumbach Palme
made a portrait of many of the party guests.
Above picture with Mick Jagger and Jerry Hall.
A little thank you to the photographer
for sending this image 2021 August
Pushing young People
Johannes Thurn & Taxis
liked to be around young people.
Most of the times he met them out of the blue,
in a cafe, a nightclub, waiting for a plane.
Whenever someone had a bit entrepreneurial spirit
he liked to give out a
"lottery ticket with a high chance to win".
One, two, three thalers from the old Postmasters
and his connections
someone in his early 20ies
would never have be able to get by himself.
Thurn & Taxis was very generous
and it was his passion to use his power and money
to be a springboard for the career of young people
This is how Cremerie de Paris and Phone Book of the World came alive ...
1986 June end ot the month
the student had the key of the little Boutique
in the heart of Paris,
50 m from the old Postal Building ...
This was like jumping into water ...
Knowing nothing about nothing
the Boutique took a bit of time to open.
An idea needed to be found
and the shop needed to be renovated ...
Well when you are 20 and you open a Boutique
on a Telecom hotspot in the center of Paris
a lot of adventures are waiting for you ....
An unbeleivable opportunity came up.
The historic Cremerie No1 was for rent.
The place was right in the postal building,
not next door, not opposit,
right on the spot.
We tried to get it but the owner was scared
to rent such a big place to people that were still so young.
Preference was given
to a large established furniture company
which did not work.
Again Cremerie No1 came on the market
Again the owner was scared to rent us the historic building
but Aimee de Heeren had an idea.
"You should ask the landlord to sell you the place
so that he has no risk with rent payments"
Sony adaptors, batteries, plugs,
connectors were little cashcows
but not enough to get a breal estate loan for such a big space.
Our young company had no financial background.
Thurn & Taxis
who would have more Thalers to make the aquisition
was not there any more ...
His friend Aimee watched what we were doing ...
She knew our place since a long long time
not from the Postal stories of her friend Thurn & Taxis
but from someone elso.
Aimee had arrived in Paris back in 1938
as a fashionista shopping clothes and attending parties.
But her real mission was something else ...
a secret service agent for her country Brazil.
Everybody in Paris society was fascinated
including the fashion designer Coco Chanel.
Chanel loved our staircase
with a mysterious No5 logo forged into the railings.
She knew it since 1920 taken there for the first time
by her glamorous boyfriend Dmitri Romanov.
In the 1960s old Coco Chanel and Aimee de Heeren
used to do nightwalks through Paris.
The staircase of the old postal building
was their destination.
Before leaving this World
Chanel had left Aimee a little jewel
she had once received from her Romanov.
Aimee who had watched our Telecom Boutique adventures
from the very beginning
knew that both her friends Thurn & Taxis and Chanel
would have told her to "take action".
So she decided to use the little jewel
to strenghten our finances
so that a bank would finance the acquisition.
Cremerie de Paris No1 boosted our Sony activities
The store worked from the day it opened
but soon new unexpected turbulances were on the way.
Cremerie No1 in the old Postal Building
reinvented as an iconic Pop Up Store Location
No more need for Cybercafes,
the old Postal Building has to be reinvented,
The idea was to convert it an expo center
to show new products and inventions.
Again the start is a little difficult,
but havn't the old postmasters
left us the lesson
that difficulties are there to find new ideas ... ?
2012 - 2017
building a new subway exit
facing the Cremeries de Paris
and connecting them
to Paris largest subway station Chatelet les Halles
2017 - 2018
redesigning our old rue des Halles / rue Dechargeurs
the picture shows the last big construction night
2018 July 12
While taking these pictures around our old postal gate
thinking about the crazy and funny stories
of the Post horses
that were leaving from our old gate 300 years ago
to carry mail to hundreds
of Pajot & Rouillet or Thurn & Taxis post relais.
According to Johannes Thurn & Taxis
everything was extremely well organised.
The horse coaches had a timetable that was the same every week.
Every monday 7 am mail left for Brussels
Every thuesday 7 am mail left for Frankfurt
Every wednesday 7 am mail left for Venice
... no phone, no electricity, no computer
Feeling grateful for having had the chance to "pick up"
a bit ot the T&T Spirit of Telecommunications.
Thurn & Taxis was known for making jokes at wealthy and snobbish hi society Ladies.
What is less known is that he was very generous with those that did not have much
He loved to give to young people
"lottery tickets with hi winning chances"
He met them out of the blue in cafes, nighclubs, fashion events
or in the lobby of a Grand Hotel ...
Johannes Thurn & Taxis in the late 1950s
with his friend Soraya Esfandiary / Princess of Iran
who came to Cremerie de Paris in
2000 / 2001 to get internet lessons.
2017 Returning to the castle in Regensburg with one of our web developers No22.
2021 visiting the church Notre Dame au Sabon
where the old postmasters are buried
The above web developer with the sunglasses was asking:
"what would have happened if you had not met Johannes Thurn & Taxis No20
when you were a student ?"
The answer is simple
"There would be
no Cremeries de Paris
and no Phone Book of the World"
Sometimes some crazy and funny stories
and the equivalant of half a fancy cocktail dress
is all you need ...
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Franz von Taxis by Google Arts & Culture
Museo del Tasso.com - Museum in Camerata Cornello / Italy
Thurn und Taxis.de/museen -several T&T Museum in Regensburg / Germany
Thurn und Taxis.com - Family website and Museum in Regensburg / Germany
Si.edu - Smithsonian Postal Museum / Germany
Bath Postal Museum.org.uk
Eugenie de Montijo.com - intial owner of the French Crown Jewel
Alexander Bell.com - more about the inventor of the Phone
Aimee de Heeren.com - Brazilian Secret Service Agent and friend of Johannes Thurn & Taxis
Whitepages.fr / French White Pages
Whitepages.de / German White Pages
Whitepages.it / Italian White Pages
Whitepages.in / Indian White Pages
Whitepages.com.br / Brazilian White Pages